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haha that's why I suck it upOriginally Posted by ItechWarrior
This is a discussion on Groin injury? within the Aches, Pains, and Injuries forums, part of the The Clinic category; Originally Posted by synesthete First, I'm not a doctor Sounds like you know your stuff though! I've been pretty lucky ...
Sounds like you know your stuff though!
I've been pretty lucky with injuries, but often I seem to pull my groin. Along with Avsfreak's stretch, I like to do the (I think it's called) goalie splits, where you do the splits, but on your knees. Those are my two major stretches.
haha that's why I suck it up
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Interestingly at one time I was in nursing school (along with the wife, who's now getting her PhD in nursing), and at another time was in pre-med studying biology to be a virologist. Unfortunately neither of those plans worked out, and I got my degree in Philosophy and I now work on healthcare websites for a living now. Weird, eh? I also own a side business that does innovation consulting for medical research, but that's little more than me coming up with an idea and selling it off to someone who can research it. But, anyway, since I read healthcare websites all day I get very familiar with these things. There are a ton of great resources out there just waiting for people to use them, like the Nurses Answer Line. Plus, the nurses are all incredibly nice. They're often the ones who write the articles on healthcare websites.
This thread really makes me want to do a tutorial on a bunch of stretches I've done and continue to do. When I taught Bruce Racine's camp, I lead the stretches before on and off ice sessions, so I know a ton of stretches. I actually only do like seven stretches before a game (upper leg, upper leg, left groin, right groin, both groins, left arm, right arm), but there are a ton of stretches to advance your muscle elasticity so you won't hurt yourself during play.
You should do this. It would be cool if you covered your pre and post game or practice stretching routines that you did while playing at the "elite" level.
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It's really weird, but the only time I stretched to that extent was for camps. For games I pretty much always just did about 7-10 stretches. Not too many.. if I do too many, for some reason I feel too loose and weird out there.
I'll start putting together a list tonight and hopefully begin shooting ASAP.
Oh, that's not exciting at all.
Here's Martin Brodeur's pre-game ritual... Excerpt from 'Brodeur: Behind The Crease' - NHL - ESPN
Just kidding. LOL. Anyway, it's an interesting read.
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Hey!!! Thanks to you all. Rest and anti-inflammatory has made the groin feel much better for him. (Yeah trying to get a bag of ice on his groin, not so much) Anyway, he is doing some light stretching and is in no pain. Ready for the ice. {And now I know what stretches to help me avoid the same thing with my much older muscles.
This phenomenon gets talked about a lot among exercise/training professionals. Stretching inhibits muscle activation. If you stretch yourself out too much, you begin limiting your ability to recruit muscles fibers into action during the heat of the game. With the types of stretches goalies tend to be doing, you can also be loosening up the stability of your hip joints a bit too much. It's starting to become common to hear "don't stretch before a game," but I think this is going too far in the opposite direction. Especially for desk jockeys/weekend warriors who play goalie, some targeted stretching to ensure proper biomechanics all over the body is necessary to prevent injury after 40 hours of being locked in a sitting position.
The hip flexor stretch shown earlier in the thread is useful as it will reduce the external rotation of the femur that results from tight hip flexors (thus limiting your butterfly!). The semi-standing groin stretches can be good as well, assuming you don't curl your spine too much to touch the floor. A variation of a groin stretch that will stretch your inner thigh muscles -- without compromising the stability of your back (setting you up for injury) -- is a static wall with splits.
The position allows your thoracic spine to stay in neutral while getting a stretch on your medial hamstrings and your adductors. A lot of other adductor stretches I've seen over my life involve WAY too much thoracic spine flexion.
This exercise isn't right for everyone, so attempt at your own risk.
Basically, you start lying down on the floor on your back with your butt up against the wall and your legs up straight and parallel to one another on the wall WITHOUT your butt lifting up off the floor. If you can't do this without your butt or lower back lifting off and straining, back up from the wall until your butt settles or DON'T do this exercise.
Pull your toes, feet, ankles back, tighten your thighs, and widen your feet apart, keeping your feet perpendicular to the wall. You should feel your adductors and some of your hamstrings put on stretch when you're at the end of your range of motion. Stay there for 1 minute.
As for seeing docs in the U.S. regarding muscle strains, unless you REALLY mangle something, the unfortunate reality (in the U.S. at least) is that most primary care docs have very little training in handling lower grade musculoskeletal issues like strains of this nature (speaking from personal and professional experience). I have had many doctors and nurses as clients and have friends who are doctors as well, and their working knowledge of the musculoskeletal system is not what you'd expect (you spend 8 years learning EVERYTHING about the ENTIRE body and see how much you remember!). However, if the OP's son had actually managed to hurt a muscle bad enough to cause part of it to retract into a lump up in the groin, I'd be VERY surprised if he could walk, but the doc would almost definitely have seen it!
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