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This is a discussion on Question about proper protection for a goalie within the Equipment Chat forums, part of the The Gear category; *wall-o-text* I dont want to be "that guy" but this question has brewed inside my head for a while now ...

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    *wall-o-text*
    I dont want to be "that guy" but this question has brewed inside my head for a while now and another thread here has sparked me to start this topic. A topic that some are probably bored to tears on, some might feel passionately about and some may not care.

    Here's my question and then (from a new person's perspective) what I see and how it doesn't help me make a clear cut decision.

    Lexan for a goalie helmet~good, acceptable or bad? Some say its ok, some say no way and others are mixed. The easy way out would be to say "its your head, go big or go home"...When I was in sales my bosses used basically the same thought pattern to sucker people into buying more then what they really needed, it works like a charm (not on everyone). Did some companies just get a bad rep for them as well as lexan? I still see a fair amount of masks for sale today made of lexan, and even certified for ice hockey.
    Bauer Profile 2500
    Reebok 3k
    Vaughn 7500
    Eddy Eclipse

    All online priced at $190+ usd. Not bank breaking, but not anywhere near as cheap as other helmets for sports. All certified for ice hockey as well.

    If you look up Lexan, you'll see things like "Common usages include space and sports helmets, clear high performance windshields and aircraft canopies, and bullet resistant windows."

    Even catchers masks for baseball are only advertised as being made of plastic or ABS plastic, i'm sure they see the odd fast ball to the bean.

    Motorcycle helmets range in price from below $100 up to near $1000. The ones you'll find $200-400 are largely made of lexan.

    Hell, the dangler that many goalie's wear is made of lexan...I doubt anyone would want to take a 80-100+ mph slap shot to the neck, but nobody complains of lexan danglers not being protective enough. Nobody makes a dangler with aramid, carbon, fiberglass, multilayerd.

    I'm not trying to fight the system or stand up for lexan, i'm trying to uncover what exactly makes it so bad or if its even bad...when its so easily accepted in other roles by many of the same goalie's who doubt its mask protection ability.

    If wearing a lexan goalie mask is like signing your own death papers...How can companies mass produce such masks, that are certified and marked for adult ice hockey?
    How can the places who sell these masks say "yup, its certified so your protected"

    I highly doubt a lexan mask could stand the abuse of a multilayered aramid/carbon/fiberglass for as many years as they can, but fresh outa the box with certification stickers from a "hockey" store or web retailer...what is a person supposed to think?

    At the end of the day its only $300-500 bucks to protect your head, its the easy way out and not a bad choice either. But is all the lexan hate warranted?

    *end rant/question*

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    In my opinion, YES. Lexan has 1 reason why I will never use it for goaltending. Ringers to the mask. They are almost unbearable if you take a good slapper to the face. I took a slapshot that caught my chin, knocked out two of my fillings causing me to get a root canal. End of answer

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    Seeing as I have an infamous "made from Lexan" mask, I'll have to go with no, they're not good for goaltending. And thinking about what you said about bullet-proof glass being made from it, when I think of Lexan and bullet-proof glass I think of the high-speed photography of a bullet impacting at 2600 FPS and the Lexan not giving one bit, simply losing a chip to the bullet. That said, when something 1"x3" comes at my head at 80-90 m.p.h. I'd really like something that's got a bit of give to it such as a composite fiber of some sorts.
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    Really the lexan throat protectors are only good for a couple shots before they break. If you're trying to go cheap you are better off buying a used fiberglass mask. Stay away from the lexan.
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    What Lumpy said, and I have the concussion counts to prove it.
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    Its not about saving money. For me, I purchased my 2500 with intentions to play inline. After purchasing, on clearance, I decided to aim for ice instead. Cannot return it, but it is certified for ice...So i'm left with either: Using it to play ice until I can afford a better mask or just selling it before I use it and waiting to play until I have saved enough.

    But, to someone new to owning gear and playing regularly...its frustrating to see something listed/sold/tagged as being certified to protect you and hearing nothing but "dont do it you'll die" doom and gloom about it.

    I have no intentions of wanting to use my profile 2500 for the long haul on ice, I think I would have had I played inline only with a ball or floor puck. But for ice I WANT something better, but i'm torn between those who say use it for now and those who say no way.

    This is not about me wanting to save a couple hundred bucks. This is more about why are they allowed to cert something that practically everyone thinks is a death trap? Are the manufacturers/stores trying to sell profitable garbage or are the masses of lexan haters not standing on solid ground?

    Regardless of what the answer is, I plan/want something more protective for ice...as I too dont mind having more then I need when it comes to head/face protection.
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    If you actually watch a goalie mask go through it's CSA approval testing...you would never ever worry about getting hit in the melon. Trust me...the CSA takes their jobs very serious and would never allow a mask to go through that wasn't safe....just for a companies profit margin. The pending law suits would be huge.

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    This is an interesting thread, I am an Engineer and know the properties of Lexan fairly well, that being said I've never used a Lexan mask. Simply put Lexan is a stronger material than fiberglass and ABS. CSA testing would reveal this and in doing so would earn its CSA cert. The thing here is the shock dissapation properties of a weave or fiber material being far supeior to a Lexan being a solid mass. Obviously this makes a huge difference and results in those massive "ringers" that rfalls86 mentioned.

    I have actualy never even thought about wearing a Lexan mask but it makes sense that given there bad energy dissapation be a ****ty choice for a mask even though they would easily outperfrom many other materials and be CSA accepted......
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    I don't know a ton about head protection, but on other sites, I was instructed to check out a carbon shelled helmet. That's why I ended up buying an Eddy mask. From my experience with head trauma from my bro, and from working as a paramedic, I've noticed that you don't want a material that won't give. Lexan apparently, from the info you guys are saying doesn't absorb shock, which in my mind would say that Lexan is NOT a good material for a helmet.

    Speaking of motorcycle helmets, the ones that you listed in the $200-$400 range, made of Lexan, I bet are the same type of helmets that the riders use when I've arrived on scene on an MVA involving a motorcycle, and you get there, take off the unresponsive guys helmet, and his brains just spill out like a cracked egg shell. Sure, the helmet didn't break, which is a plus, but I wish I could say the same for the cyclists' head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ARRCEE View Post
    This is an interesting thread, I am an Engineer and know the properties of Lexan fairly well, that being said I've never used a Lexan mask. Simply put Lexan is a stronger material than fiberglass and ABS. CSA testing would reveal this and in doing so would earn its CSA cert. The thing here is the shock dissapation properties of a weave or fiber material being far supeior to a Lexan being a solid mass. Obviously this makes a huge difference and results in those massive "ringers" that rfalls86 mentioned.

    I have actualy never even thought about wearing a Lexan mask but it makes sense that given there bad energy dissapation be a ****ty choice for a mask even though they would easily outperfrom many other materials and be CSA accepted......
    This was basically exactly what I was getting at. And like I said before, I've had 2 diagnosed concussions and one that I just assumed was one from a Lexan mask which was CSA/HECC certified. Goes to show that maybe they're doing their jobs well, to the wrong degree.
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