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This is a discussion on The ADM model within the Goalie Parents forums, part of the The Goalie Crease category; anyone who has a child in Squirts find it irratating that the new USA Hockey model believes at that level ...

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    anyone who has a child in Squirts find it irratating that the new USA Hockey model believes at that level ckids shouldn't learn positional play, but rather concentrate on skating and stick and puck control. That all well enough and good unless your child is THE GOALIE where proper tech can make the difference between always losing and them NOT WANTING to continue as a goalie. Same can be said for the D-men as our coach is always yelling at the ones picked for that game to help out our son the goalie...... OK BUT THEY HAVEN'T BEEN TAUGHT......UGH

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    talk to the coach and offer yourself as a potential assistant?

    "Soccer players pretend they're hurt, Hockey players pretend they're not."

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    I had to look it up.

    I agree with the overall mission. And here's my reasoning. What is the point of having everyone in position when they cannot "make" it happen once they have the puck. Depending on where you are from, there's usually a small percentage of mite, squirts and pee wees who get extra skating and puck control practice because their father or someone else puts in one-on-one time with that player. And, maybe there's an outdoor rink available for free skating. Those players are usually at a higher level because they could work the puck when in position. The higher the level of the player, the more important both learning position and having skating/passing/shooting skills. You have a player who hasn't developed their passing and shooting but is good at position will enter the bantam level where they are too sloppy to make it to AA or AAA level of play and they are an average or below average A level player.
    It's hard to get passing and shooting practice along with positional teaching in a limited amount of ice time, especially with a lot areas in the US with only artifically frozen ice available. You learn a lot of tricks while playing shinny, you can practice hot-dogging or skill games, and there's no pressure to fail at the outdoor rink. I can see it being frustrating for a coach to have the puck and it just gets turned over because no one can pass, work the puck up on their own, or shoot and score. Unless your entire team is full of Ovechkins and Crosbys, you will not have issues with practicing basic skills at the Squirt level.
    ADM is trying to build a solid foundation for very young players.
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    lol they have enough of them in the stands LOL

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    Caveman i agree with the overall program of the ADM but still believe that goalies need taught at that level and not just be "there"

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    Quote Originally Posted by papawaynelowe View Post
    Caveman i agree with the overall program of the ADM but still believe that goalies need taught at that level and not just be "there"
    Okay, I see.

    ADM model and the previous model both suck when it comes to goaltending. The goalies' training is dependent on what the coaches and asssitant coaches know. This results in the coach teaching basic goaltending knowledge. On the squirt level, this results in just learning from your mistakes but not necessarily knowing how to fix it. For those goalies, it requires outside goaltending schools to get better. Or hopefully, the coach or assistant coach has goaltending experience, or the father or relative can provide goaltending coaching outside of regular practices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by caveman27 View Post
    Okay, I see.

    ADM model and the previous model both suck when it comes to goaltending. The goalies' training is dependent on what the coaches and asssitant coaches know. This results in the coach teaching basic goaltending knowledge. On the squirt level, this results in just learning from your mistakes but not necessarily knowing how to fix it. For those goalies, it requires outside goaltending schools to get better. Or hopefully, the coach or assistant coach has goaltending experience, or the father or relative can provide goaltending coaching outside of regular practices.
    This isn't an ADM problem.

    This is a problem where USA Hockey & Hockey Canada haven't looked at what Finland has done with regards to goalie development from Mite on up.

    http://ingoalmag.com/technique/the-state-of-canadian-hockey-goaltending-development/

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    his article looks at Hockey Canada, but it applies to USA Hockey, as well.

    You can develop a goalie within the ADM model. But, only if your kid's team has a coach that knows how to teach proper fundamentals and is given the ability to work with the goalie(s) while the skaters are working on drills that don't need or apply to goalies. Like say power skating drills during the first 10 minutes or so of practice.

    And if you go to the USA Hockey practice plan area, there are goaltender plans for Squirts:

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    Interesting article.
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    yes we ( wife and myself) came to the conclusion our sons coaches dont have goalie experience so we had him attend 2 camps over the summer , 1. just to be sure he wanted to stick with it 2. so he didnt start off with bad habits 3. if he had any that he was doing they got corrected right away .

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    My coaches in midgets didn't coach any of our goalies. All practices were based on working on skills and drills for forwards and defensemen. The goalie's practice involved making saves during those drills.
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