Tough call but after watching beach ball price in last years playoffs, I'd say give Halak a shot and see which one sucked less.
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'Why not see if Halak can handle playoff pressure – if Canadiens get there?'
MONTREAL – Halak or Price? The answer to that question could be the most important decision a Canadiens general manager has faced since Réjean Houle had to trade Patrick Roy in 1995 – and we all know how that one turned out.
With goaltenders Jaroslav Halak and Carey Price both becoming restricted free agents at the end of this season and the Canadiens up tight against the salary cap, there won't be room for both of them next season. So, who stays and who goes?
That's a debate that can get heated among Canadiens fans and even members of the media.
My pick right now would be to keep Halak and trade Price, but I think Canadiens general manager Pierre Gauthier was smart not to deal either of them before the March 3 NHL trade deadline. Since it's such an important decision, why not take as much time as possible before making it? Why not see if Halak can handle the playoff pressure if the Canadiens get there?
Earlier this season, former Canadiens GM Bob Gainey made it clear he was ready to trade Halak and ride his "thoroughbred" Price into the future. There were reports that Gainey had talks with the Philadelphia Flyers.
In hindsight, it might turn out to be the best trade Gainey didn't make – and the worst trade Flyers GM Paul Holmgren didn't make.
In fact, the turning point in the Canadiens' season might have been on Feb. 8, when Gainey stepped down and handed the GM job to Gauthier. Heading into last night's game, the Canadiens had a 9-4-2 record since Gainey resigned. Halak had posted a 7-2-1 record during that span, while Price was 2-2-1. Somehow, I don't think Halak would have gotten all those starts if Gainey was still in charge.
Gainey basically gave the No. 1 job to Price on a silver platter after selecting him fifth overall at the 2005 NHL entry draft. Halak, who was a ninth-round pick (271st overall) in 2003, seemed like nothing more than an afterthought. But despite having the odds stacked against him - and despite some obvious frustration – Halak refused to give up. All he did, when given the chance, was keep stopping pucks and keep winning games.
With Gauthier's arrival, Halak has finally been given the opportunity to show what he can do in the No. 1 role.
I've heard some Price supporters say that since he dominated at every level of hockey before reaching the NHL, there's no doubt he will dominate in the NHL. But I have a two-word response for those people: Alexandre Daigle.
Some people also forget that in 2005-06, Halak led the East Coast Hockey League in save percentage (.932) and was second in goals-against average (2.05). In 2006-07, he was named to the American Hockey League All-Rookie Team and posted the league's best goals-against average (2.00) before being benched for the playoffs when Price arrived on the scene in Hamilton and led the Bulldogs to the Calder Cup.
Price was a first-round pick and Halak was a ninth-round pick - so the Canadiens' goaltending battle stopped being a fair fight. Price was the golden boy.
But the NHL entry draft is a crapshoot. If you look through the year-by-year list of first-round picks in the NHL Official Guide & Record Book, you will see more names that you don't know than those that you do.
Price was selected fifth overall in 2005, and here's a list of the No. 5 picks from the 10 previous years: 2004, Blake Wheeler, Phoenix; 2003, Thomas Vanek, Buffalo; 2002, Ryan Whitney, Pittsburgh; 2001, Stanislav Chistov, Anaheim; 2000, Raffi Torres, New York Islanders; 1999, Tim Connolly, New York Islanders; 1998, Vitaly Vishnevski, Anaheim; 1997, Eric Brewer, New York Islanders; 1996, Ric Jackman, Dallas; 1995, Daymond Langkow, Tampa Bay.
Price is only 22, and I wouldn't bet against him becoming an NHL all-star in the future, but I wonder if he can do it under the bright lights of Montreal. Like Guillaume Latendresse, he might need a change of scenery.
One of the strangest things I found during Gainey's tenure as GM was the way his young players acted. One of the first things Gainey did after taking the job in 2003 was get rid of the Three Amigos - party boys José Theodore, Mike Ribeiro and Pierre Dagenais. But after doing that, the Canadiens somehow seemed to become the 10 or 12 Amigos under Gainey's watch.
Ryan O'Byrne was charged with grand theft after being accused of stealing a woman's purse in a Tampa Bay nightclub, the Kostitsyn brothers were linked to an alleged Montreal mobster, and there was no shortage of Internet photos of Canadiens players in full party mode, many of them featuring Price.
Halak is only two years older than Price, but he seems much more mature. At this point, I don't think it should matter who was the first-round pick and who was the ninth-round pick – simply pick the best goalie.
Halak or Price?
"Soccer players pretend they're hurt, Hockey players pretend they're not."
Tough call but after watching beach ball price in last years playoffs, I'd say give Halak a shot and see which one sucked less.
Being a Habs fan myself...this is a tough one for me. In a perfect world...I'd keep both under contract. Halak is the present and Price is the future, although there seems to be something happening in Montreal behind the scenes. It almost seems like Markov and Spacek are purposely hanging Price out to dry...they seem to be more involved when Halak is between the pipes. You can even see this in the shot totals between the goalies...Halak on average seems to face fewer shots than Price does.
This is such a tough situation! If you move either goalie...they will be a superstar in whatever city they land in!
I like Price, he is a great goalie, but I think Halak has been doing a better job this season..... Stick with what works!
Going based on the number of games that count for their W/L/O record:
Jaroslav Halak:
10-19 shots against: 1 game
20-29: 19 games
30-39: 12
40-49: 6
50-59: 1
Note that all of Halak's games where he faced above 40 shots, were conveniently all wins:
December 8th, 46 SA
December 19th, 40SA
December 21st, 50SA
December 23rd, 47SA
December 26th, 49SA
February 2nd, 47SA
February 4th, 47SA
Carey Price:
10-19: 3 games
20-29: 10 games
30-39: 18 games
40-49: 6 games
50-59: 1 game
And look at his results for games where he faced 40+ shots:
October 1st: 46SA, W
November 5th: 43SA, W
November 14th: 55SA, L (against Nashville though, so not too surprising. I mean, we're a pretty unreal team.)
December 10th: 41SA, L
January 5th: 43SA, L
March 4th: 40SA, L
March 24th: 42SA, L
Obvious and easy pick for me: Keep Halak, ditch Price. Although it'll be interesting to see once playoffs come.
Some people just deserve a high five... to the face.
Just like the Habs ditched Roy?
Like everyone says, Montreal is a tough city to play hockey in. Maybe both goalies would be far better off in another city.
PS, did you let GoalieGuru use your account?
No, just I like to back up my decisions with stats. And you can challenge opinions - but the stats are objective. You can't deny what's written in stone.
(SIDE NOTE)
Whoever was the dumbass that said elite goalies would never get drafted if they were below 6', or would never be at the same level... newsflash: Halak is listed at 5'11". And arguably better than Price, at least this season.
Last edited by Arthriticbutterflystyle; 03-30-2010 at 09:14 PM.
Some people just deserve a high five... to the face.
Price has what it takes to be a star goalie, his confidence is just shot right now. The last couple games (minus the one where he got yanked) he has played outstanding. Halak right now is the better goalie, but Price has more potential. Tough call, but I like Carey Price so I'd keep him.
Price had no business bring given the starting role that soon into his career...Gainey messed up huge there. Price should have spent a few years in the minors first to make him stronger mentally. The Red Wings did it with Jimmy Howard and it seems to be working just fine. Price was just handled very poorly my the Canadiens management and if he is let go in the off season...it will come back to haunt Habs fans in the years to come.
PS35...that dumbass was me and like you said....you like to back up things with stats...so go and check the stats for the goalies selected in last years NHL draft. You will only find one under 6'. Jaroslav Janus comes in at 5'11". In the first 7 rounds...20 goalies were selected with Janus being the shortest at 5'11". Remember Halak was drafted quite some time ago...before the rage began for the larger goalies. I'm sure there were a lot of amazing goalies that were shorter than 5'11", but like I said repeatedly before(apparently this will not die)NHL scouts, GMs, coaches, and ultimately owners are looking for the perfect storm in a goalie which combines size and agility in todays game. The first goalie selected this year was Finn Mikko Koskinen standing at 6'5". With todays game that involves butterfly slides and the ever popular and over used VH...which would you have in net?
One more final point to this whole debate and then I'm done completely with this topic...one of good friends played in the ECHL back in the early 90's for the Hampton Roads Admirals...he was the back up to Olaf Kolzig. They both had nearly the same numbers in save percentage and g.a.a, but where my buddy Kenny was only 5'9"...Kolzig was...well Godzilla...I think you already know by now who got the majority of the starts and essentially the bigger break in the game.
Last edited by EVL WAGN; 03-30-2010 at 08:14 PM.
I like them both. They are both equal and the Habs could use some better defensemen. That's my opinion. Whoever gets traded away will do okay wherever he goes.
They traded away Jose Theodore. I don't know why. I thought he was good.
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